Hi to everybody...does anybody think that Gordon Brown may be being deliberately sabotaged by the media and his enemies?
Two politicians might stand as Prime Ministers to replace him...one being Ed Balls who is a member of the Bildenburg Group and David Milliband, who is Jewish and has strong connections to Israel...either of these two individuals would be unacceptable as Prime Ministers through these connections. Brown is not sympathetic to George Bush's regime and, as such, would possibly oppose any attacks on Iran, which is being proposed prior to the end of Bush's reign in the White House...
I still believe the Labour Party was hijacked after the very sudden and unexpected death of John Smith by Tony Blair, and is in danger of being hijacked again if we don't watch out...Al Gore was cheated out of the Presidency by Bush and his second term was assured by support of the far right wing moral majority in the USA. That was to all intents and purposes, a coup.
If a vote of no confidence in Gordon Brown is put forward at some point in the near future, we should be extremely careful who the Labour Party elects as its new leader. I think our country is standing on the edge of a very dangerous precipice and we should be aware of it...
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SeasideMan
Pro - 2008-06-11 @ 13:33:18
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jenray
Pro - http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-11 @ 14:11:30
No, I have no qualms about it anymore...Israel is being given free rein to crush the Palestinians and nobody is stopping them...if we have a Jewish Prime Minister, he's going to be completely sympathetic towards Israel, especial David Milliband who has been called back from a visit there because of the imminent 42 day detention vote...I am not prejudiced against the Jewish people but I have huge problems with Israel, and, through this, would be opposed to having a Jewish Prime Minister...and he's far more likely to support the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities, which Israel is telling the USA that if they don't do it, they will...outrageous!! It is the actions of Israel that has driven thinking people into a corner where they are forced to resort to a form of prejudice normally totally alien to them...and I am one of them...
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SeasideMan
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- 2008-06-11 @ 14:25:33
Fair enough, thanks for explaining.
I confess I am a little on the fence about the situation. There is so much history in that region, with tit for tat attacks going back as long as you'd care to look, that it's difficult to blame one side without blaming the other. Guilt attaches strongly to both sides, and both sides have committed repeated atrocities.
But one thing I am not on the fence about is bombing Iran. It's completely morally unjustifiable, and the consequences would be catastrophic.
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jenray
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-11 @ 14:44:08
No, the guilt isn't equally divided...if it was, I would be more sympathetic to Israel...it's grossly unequal, and that's what causes me so many problems...the Palestinians never really stood a chance against the Israelis who arrived full of fire and rage at what had happened to them during WW2, and there was no way they were going to let the Palestinians stand in their way of achieving their goal that being an Israeli State with preferably a restoration of the entirety of the ancient state of Israel certainly by the ardent Zionists...they have systematically destroyed the infrastructure of the Palestine of the Palestinians and stolen their land, extended their borders, and many have never even met any Palestinians so they remain faceless enemies, instead of human beings struggling to come to terms with their land being given away by another nation who had no right whatsoever to do so...there are good Israelis who are trying to get to know the Palestinians but there's an overwhelming majority who see them as nothing more than a threat to be extinguished by any means at hand...no, Tom, the guilt is not equally shared by any stretch of the imagination sad to say...
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SeasideMan
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- 2008-06-11 @ 14:48:30
Well, I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as you do, which is why I shall remain on the fence for the moment. I see mass murder on both sides and I condemn both equally for that.
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jenray
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-11 @ 14:58:09
Okay...this is a subject that has interested me for a very long time so have studied it closely, and my conclusions now are not based on prejudice, just on the fact that a gross injustice has been committed against a people and nobody is protesting with any conviction because the lobby of one side is so powerful in our world that it silences all who criticize or oppose it...that's very bad indeed and I will continue to say a profound injustice has been done here and is continuing unabated to this day...
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SeasideMan
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- 2008-06-11 @ 17:11:21
I trust your judgment so I shan't try and argue against what you have said, but I will stay on the fence myself.
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if u have not done so already, i suggest reading: Peace not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter the former US president.
It's very tame and doesn't tell the half of it but he was slammed as an anti-semite on publication.-
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SeasideMan
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- 2008-06-16 @ 15:39:46
Thanks for the recommendation.
It certainly seems if the Israeli defenders are vigorous in defending themselves by attacking their critics, even those who only criticise very mildly.
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jenray
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-16 @ 15:40:03
Yes, I heard...say anything about Israel or the powerful Jewish lobby and you're accused of anti-semitism....very dangerous days...I spent my whole life fighting against anti any race, colour or creed, but I'm driven into a corner now I'm so against what's going on in Israel that I find myself unable to be unbiased anymore...it scares me because I know where prejudice in any form can lead, but I don't know how to avoid it now...the sad thing is it affects how I look at the Jewish community over here...just seeing them around here makes me angry and I want to lash out at them, but know that would be very wrong, but the whole business in Israel has stirred up very powerful emotions in me, which I constantly need to guard against. The trouble is, instead of settling down, the situation over there gets worse by the day and that doesn't help me reduce my feelings towards the whole race in the end...very sad and very frightening...
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playwrite27
- http://davidtennantsdoctor.wordpress.com/
- 2008-06-11 @ 13:41:10
I only follow British politics very marginally, but sort of agree with you (as much as my limited knowledge allows me to), that it does seem that your labour party (which I would probably support, being that it's about your equivilent to our Democratic party) has suffered greatly in the last few years.
We in America often saw Blair as sucking up to Bush, sadly. Blair was not taken very seriously by our media, I'm afraid. Gordon Brown...he has his flaws, like every other politiciian in the world, but I get the feeling he's not as weak as your media would portray him. Mind you, it's just a sense that I'm getting, and not based on any facts.
The neo-ccnservatives were instrumental, in getting Clinton impeached from office, for his sexual misconduct. The neo-conservatives have, time after time, silenced calls to impeach Bush for his consistant lies and frauds. The neo-cons got bush elected, and re-elected. Thanks to Bush, the neo-cons now run our highest branch of the judicial system--the Supreme Court. This court decides constitutional issues--basically, says what our freedoms are, and interperts our constitution. Scary stuff.
Bush did hijack the election, and his neo-con supporters will likely do all they can, to get McCain in. Now, McCain is actually the least worst of the neo-cons--though still a jobsworth, if you know what I mean, who follows the proscribed neo-con mantra of corporate doles and tax breaks, war mongering and keeping out immigrants.-
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jenray
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- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2008-06-11 @ 14:26:11
Blair did suck up to Bush in the most embarrassing way...I watched the two of them walking together in a piece of film and Bush strutted confidently while Blair tried to do the same by sticking his hands in his belt and swaggering along beside him...it looked utterly ridiculous...whenever the two met, there was a physical power struggle between them in body language, which invariably Blair lost...now, put him with Clinton and it was completely different...he was at ease with him and it showed...Blair was never at ease with Bush...and you're right, the next election will be probably one of the dirtiest on record...the neo-cons will do everything in their power to denigrate and destroy Obama in order to show McCain as the true patriot, but he's dangerously gung ho and oddly ill at ease with his fellow Republican senators, who I believe don't actually like him, so there'll be a lot of reining him in as well to do what they want, rather than what he may want...Gordon Brown is not a public man and it shows...he looks nervous and ill at ease when in the glare of the public's gaze and that doesn't make Labour supporters feel confident he's the man to lead them into the next election. He may well be an honourable man, but we've moved into an age where the appearance of a leader often counts more than the substance of the man, or woman for that matter...this is seriously bad for politics as a whole...if you notice, both the Conservatives and the Liberals over here have both chosen clones of each other, and similar to Blair in their manner and facial features...in other words camera friendly...so damned shallow it hurts...this is something the Republicans will have to deal with when it comes to election time because McCain is pretty old and he's going to get damned tired, while Obama is very fit and physically attractive...which initially concerned me that he had been chosen to run for this reason with the West being so damned body conscious...whatever happens, you can bet your bottom dollar on both sides of the Atlantic, it will be very dirty...
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SloshedAndVexed
Pro - 2008-06-11 @ 22:20:33
Yeah the U.S election campaign can only get dirtier , not that I can really understand U.S politics but from where I staand I'd be reluctant to bet against McCain , but we shall see .
Having read Jon Ronson's 2001 book 'Them : Adventures with extremists' I can beleive that the bildenberg lot are quite sinister .
I did'nt know that David Milliband is Jewish , or that he is allegedly a 'zionist' .
There was a controversial labour party poster during the election campaign when Michael Howard was the conservative leader , which seemed to be cruelly and disgracefully satirising MH's jewish origins .
If Brownie is such a 'high minded' , anti-the U.S republicans paragon of morality then why did'nt he try to dissuade Blair from poodling along with his master over Iraq - if necessary threatening to resign over it ?
I do'nt doubt that he probably started off in politics with noble principles , but now he's just another career politician whose overriding motivation is , of course , to be re-elected in two years time , although , at least in recent decades , every time the PM calls the election after five years rather than four , he loses .
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SeasideMan
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- 2008-06-12 @ 00:04:20
Funnily enough, Bush has about the same credibility here as Blair had there, if not lower. He's seen as a blundering, war-mongering fool with less sense than a mongoose. That's all probably exaggerated as I don't honestly believe he's a fool at all, but he does appear to have been given some shockingly poor advice by his neo-con advisers (or should I say owners).
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You might be right that Brown is being sabotaged, but don't you think it's a bit dubious to oppose a potential PM because he's a Jew?
Tom.